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Presumably the fuel tank was calibrated...

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... in liters I mean it seems obvious when the tank is 11.9 gallons or 45 liters, that it was made with liters in mind, since it was mfr'd in Japan. Why I ask is that I'm starting to suspect that the fuel gauge ¼ tank increments are 9 liters each, right? Split the tank into 5 parts of 9 liters. Of course, as I think in gallons, I had been calculating that the ¼ tank increments were a little over 2 gallons, which made the math a bit hard, so I've adjusted to thinking about the gauge increments in liters. I wonder if our Canadian and Brit owners were laughing at us Americans all this time?

Based upon that notion, then:
Full = 45 liters
¾ = 36 liters left or 9 liters used
½ = 27 liters left or 18 liters used
¼ = 18 liters left or 27 liters used
E = 9 liters left or 36 liters used

And the point is when the gauge hits Empty, that you have 9 liters or 2.4 gallons left. What's puzzling is the fuel range light. I'm wondering how that is calibrated. Is it 11 liters or 12 liters? I'm guessing 12, but I'll have to pay closer attention in the future.

I know many of you laugh about this fuel tank obsession, but I like to fill up as little as possible. I'm used to filling up with 1 or 2 gallons left in my old BMW's 16 gal tank, so it rankles if I've got 3+ gallons in the tank and 150 miles in range, when I fill up.

I mean look at the newest BMW i3 range-extender. It only has a 1.9 gallon tank! That's to eliminate range anxiety of EV-only. Our CTs signal for a refuel, 3+ gallons, which is 50% more than a full i3!
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Just filled up today a bit after the tank hit 0 miles, filled up 8.8 gallons, which makes me believe that when you do see the 0 mile sign, you have ATLEAST 3 gallons left.
Then your tank is very similar to mine where when range hits 0 miles, you have 12 liters left, or 3.17 gallons.
Most fuel pumps are located in the tank. These pumps are motors that get hot. The gas in the tank keeps the pump cool. If to run the tank completely empty, or really low, the pump has no liquid to cool it down, so it gets hotter than usual. This is ok if you let it cool down slowly. The main cause of fuel pump failures is putting gas in an empty car that has been running for some longer period of time. (Putting cold fuel on a hot fuel pump. Ever put hot water on a frozen glass. It breaks. )
Your info is good. I do think the 2XR-XFE fuel pump is cooled via internal fuel flow mostly. These fuel threads have been going on since 2011 and I suppose will continue. What we do have is a fairly accurate indication CURRENT AVG MPG. Most people seem to get a few miles less that is indicated. We know the light comes on at about 8.5 gallons of fuel used. So about 3.4 gallons left. Take your current avg mpg, subtract 2mpg and multiply by 3.4 gallons. This will let you know almost EXACTLY when you will run out of fuel. I could really CARE LESS when that light comes on, and I NEVER look at the miles to go number. If one wants to stretch it, drive about 100 or miles after the light comes on (120 or more if you like risk :p). I usually fill up shortly after the light comes on unless I'm short of time.

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Can we make a petition on change.org for Lexus (Toyota) to address this issue?? They will probably say no I guess, with the fact that it is the "emergency reserve."
Can we make a petition on change.org for Lexus (Toyota) to address this issue?? They will probably say no I guess, with the fact that it is the "emergency reserve."
If you know what it actually means, why do you need it changed?

I really don't understand this being a real problem. They aren't going to fix it because they (and I) don't think it's broken.
Your info is good. I do think the 2XR-XFE fuel pump is cooled via internal fuel flow mostly. These fuel threads have been going on since 2011 and I suppose will continue. What we do have is a fairly accurate indication CURRENT AVG MPG. Most people seem to get a few miles less that is indicated. We know the light comes on at about 8.5 gallons of fuel used. So about 3.4 gallons left. Take your current avg mpg, subtract 2mpg and multiply by 3.4 gallons. This will let you know almost EXACTLY when you will run out of fuel. I could really CARE LESS when that light comes on, and I NEVER look at the miles to go number. If one wants to stretch it, drive about 100 or miles after the light comes on (120 or more if you like risk :p). I usually fill up shortly after the light comes on unless I'm short of time.

Great vid.

Interestingly, your post fits my thesis, just like DarkPhantom's.

You state that when the light comes on, you have 3.4 gallons left. That's actually 13 liters. That matches my measurements with my car. The fuel light comes on with 3.4 gallons or 13 liters left. The range hits zero, with 12 liters left.

Likewise, my mileage adjustment is the same. I take off 2 to 2.5 mpg to get my actual Fuelly result.

As for Joe's comment, I think it MUST mean something if so many people are unhappy with the way the current fuel gauge functions. Presumably, they are coming from cars where the fuel light does NOT come on with 3.4 gallons remaining, but something far more reasonable like 2 gallons as all my old cars have. While most have made adjustments to their driving behavior in order to compensate, the problem is, no one likes to drive around for 100 miles without any feedback from the car on how much fuel is ACTUALLY remaining. No other car I have ever had has been that lacking in feedback. It may not be broken, but it is massively dumb as it seems to be contrary to how most other mfrs deal with fuel calculations. Can anyone name any other mfr that does similarly to Lexus? Do the other Lexus models do similarly? Does the Prius?
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An easy solution is to recalibrate your brain: the CT200h has a nine gallon tank.

There, problem solved. When the light goes on, fill up. You will put in about 8.5 gallons and be happy.

Why does one feel they should only fill up when the tank has less than X gallons left in it?



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An easy solution is to recalibrate your brain: the CT200h has a nine gallon tank.

There, problem solved. When the light goes on, fill up. You will put in about 8.5 gallons and be happy.

Why does one feel they should only fill up when the tank has less than X gallons left in it?



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Because some people love to talk about how many miles they have gone on a tankful of gas without refueling. I will tell you right now: I have no idea! I fill up when it gets below a half tank IF IT IS CONVENIENT. If it isn't, I wait until it is. I don't care if the mpg calculation is slightly off because I have no plans to set a Guinness World Record. I only use it to compare with myself and how I am doing this tankful. But, different strokes for different folks. Whatever turns you on. It's all good.
I know... but this seems like such a first world problem... :)

Frankly, I did a spend lot of time "setting records" in my first month or two of ownership. Then I simply stopped caring and driving the thing. I get 3-4 mpg less than when I try really hard to optimize it so for less than a 10% difference, I simply stress less and enjoy the ride.



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I know... but this seems like such a first world problem... :)

Frankly, I did a spend lot of time "setting records" in my first month or two of ownership. Then I simply stopped caring and driving the thing. I get 3-4 mpg less than when I try really hard to optimize it so for less than a 10% difference, I simply stress less and enjoy the ride.
Totally agree.. so much more fun to just drive.. In sport mode!
If some of you who have contributed "don't care", why do you care that some people "do care"? It's nonsensical. You've made your choice, why can't you let others make theirs?

Why should people "pretend" to have a 9 gallon tank? Why can't Lexus "pretend" to actually care about its customers?

Let me make this simple. People have bought a hybrid. One that is focussed on fuel mileage. One of the benefits of better fuel mileage is fewer trips to the gas station. Why would you want to go more often when you can go less often? Doesn't cost me a thing, but saves me time. Why should people give up one of the benefits of owning a hybrid?

This is not about hypermiling or sport mode vs eco mode. It's about understanding the car. Understanding leads to satisfaction. Look at how many people have wasted time going to the dealer complaining about their fuel gauge. Does anyone do that for any other vehicle? If Lexus had put the info in their manual, no one would be confused. My BMW manual tells me that the fuel light comes on with 2 gallons left, and that's exactly what it does. Lexus could eliminate a lot of customer dissatisfaction if it only explained what was happening with the fuel gauge. Look at the latest thread someone started. He's worried his car is only getting 25mpg, because he's driven 100 miles and the gauge is almost down to ½. Hasn't that happened to every new owner?
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Has anyone contacted Lexus directly about this issue ?
I personally do not care when the light comes on but the range should be accurate enough which is way off.
I own a dodge durango which is fairly accurate. Light comes on when range is 50. And 50 is what it is only a couple of gallons left.
If some of you who have contributed "don't care", why do you care that some people "do care"? It's nonsensical. You've made your choice, why can't you let others make theirs?

Why should people "pretend" to have a 9 gallon tank? Why can't Lexus "pretend" to actually care about its customers?

Let me make this simple. People have bought a hybrid. One that is focussed on fuel mileage. One of the benefits of better fuel mileage is fewer trips to the gas station. Why would you want to go more often when you can go less often? Doesn't cost me a thing, but saves me time. Why should people give up one of the benefits of owning a hybrid?

This is not about hypermiling or sport mode vs eco mode. It's about understanding the car. Understanding leads to satisfaction. Look at how many people have wasted time going to the dealer complaining about their fuel gauge. Does anyone do that for any other vehicle? If Lexus had put the info in their manual, no one would be confused. My BMW manual tells me that the fuel light comes on with 2 gallons left, and that's exactly what it does. Lexus could eliminate a lot of customer dissatisfaction if it only explained what was happening with the fuel gauge. Look at the latest thread someone started. He's worried his car is only getting 25mpg, because he's driven 100 miles and the gauge is almost down to ½. Hasn't that happened to every new owner?

I don't think so, and I sure hope not. If it did, I would wonder about who is buying these cars. Just as you think this is a perfectly normal thing to "worry" about, some of us think "ENOUGH". It has been talked to death! It is not going to change. File a class action lawsuit for everyone who has been "damaged" by this insidious plot by the wily Toyota engineers for some as yet undisclosed reason.

Let us know how it turns out, please.
I don't think so, and I sure hope not. If it did, I would wonder about who is buying these cars. Just as you think this is a perfectly normal thing to "worry" about, some of us think "ENOUGH". It has been talked to death! It is not going to change. File a class action lawsuit for everyone who has been "damaged" by this insidious plot by the wily Toyota engineers for some as yet undisclosed reason.

Let us know how it turns out, please.
No one is forcing you to read this thread. I have never complained about the fuel gauge, I started this thread to better understand it. You've posted in this thread to constantly badger people to stop asking questions. I've never proposed a lawsuit, so why are you bringing it up? Why don't you sue me for annoying you with threads you hate?
No one is forcing you to read this thread. I have never complained about the fuel gauge, I started this thread to better understand it. You've posted in this thread to constantly badger people to stop asking questions. I've never proposed a lawsuit, so why are you bringing it up? Why don't you sue me for annoying you with threads you hate?
First, I would never sue anyone that has led me to believe that there is little or no likelihood of being able to collect, but you have me all wrong! I think this is a wonderful subject and merits a couple of more new threads. We need to get to the bottom of this sinister conspiracy by the engineers at Toyota. Post on!


The only more interesting posts are the spam ones offering tremendous bargains on unlocked phones and other electronic devices. I live for those!
First, I would never sue anyone that has led me to believe that there is little or no likelihood of being able to collect, but you have me all wrong! I think this is a wonderful subject and merits a couple of more new threads. We need to get to the bottom of this sinister conspiracy by the engineers at Toyota. Post on!


The only more interesting posts are the spam ones offering tremendous bargains on unlocked phones and other electronic devices. I live for those!
Thanks, you're brilliantly funny. You keep on reading all those posts you love so much, even though no one is forcing you to do so.
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