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Blown head gasket.Just for help. Hope i dont get in trouble for this

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I ran into.this thread from a Similar forum for prius. Really hope it helps us you have the same problem.

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Yea I read that the wrong way too Haha_jizzjizz, they did that as a test.. A check-off on that hopeful list of did we catch it fast enough

Coolant starting to disappear- head gasket already gone, it banged too long..

Less than 30min total can damage an Atkinson

We have delved even further down the tree here on this.. Yes we have determined what makes it bang, the order of damage that will occur, and how to replicate the bang.. But we never actually deduced the “initiating” cause of the bang that starts the downward spiral of fate..

Seems to be a combination of points..
Aged plugs is definitely one, a piece of suet from EGR getting through is another, but let’s add a process here that could easily foul a plug during normal operations.. oil... Oil will foul out Any plug, so let’s talk about oil in an Atkinson 👍

-Filter without sealing caps
-Oil quantities
-Positive Crankcase Ventilation
-Location of our PCV’s
-Oil catch cans

st10358 is the correct oil filter from SmarTech at Walmart, the original design sealing caps.. This maintains original oil flow characteristics, and minimizes the splash around effect..

we noticed that putting indicated oil quantity in taps past the full mark on the dipstick, at the dealer no less.. This is where PCV comes into play..

PCV- positive pressure under pistons is routed back to intake for burn, as RPM increases, crankcase pressure is increased..

PCV can actually spit oil up through the system, if over filled, over revved, etc, saturating an intake as it sits cooling off while oil drips into a cylinder.. Go start one morning and Bang.. Many have complained of finding oil sitting behind the throttle body and down the plenum runner, many.. So let’s keep oil at or just below our Max Dot for starters..

Have more to Respond here, but my sister is calling on a Medical, stand by for more 👍
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Yea I read that the wrong way too Haha_jizzjizz, they did that as a test.. A check-off on that hopeful list of did we catch it fast enough

Coolant starting to disappear- head gasket already gone, it banged too long..

Less than 30min total can damage an Atkinson

We have delved even further down the tree here on this.. Yes we have determined what makes it bang, the order of damage that will occur, and how to replicate the bang.. But we never actually deduced the “initiating” cause of the bang that starts the downward spiral of fate..

Seems to be a combination of points..
Aged plugs is definitely one, a piece of suet from EGR getting through is another, but let’s add a process here that could easily foul a plug during normal operations.. oil... Oil will foul out Any plug, so let’s talk about oil in an Atkinson 👍

-Filter without sealing caps
-Oil quantities
-Positive Crankcase Ventilation
-Location of our PCV’s
-Oil catch cans

st10358 is the correct oil filter from SmarTech at Walmart, the original design sealing caps.. This maintains original oil flow characteristics, and minimizes the splash around effect..

we noticed that putting indicated oil quantity in taps past the full mark on the dipstick, at the dealer no less.. This is where PCV comes into play..

PCV- positive pressure under pistons is routed back to intake for burn, as RPM increases, crankcase pressure is increased..

PCV can actually spit oil up through the system, if over filled, over revved, etc, saturating an intake as it sits cooling off while oil drips into a cylinder.. Go start one morning and Bang.. Many have complained of finding oil sitting behind the throttle body and down the plenum runner, many.. So let’s keep oil at or just below our Max Dot for starters..

Have more to Respond here, but my sister is calling on a Medical, stand by for more 👍
I truly believe Lexus just used an off the shelf dip stick that erroneously causes overfilling and allows sloshing oil to get sucked in thru the pcv to the intake. As I noted in previous threads, I have not had this issue since I stopped filling to the line. Only fill it up 3/5 to 3/4 between the hi and lo marks. Also, dealers are installing updated "hotter" plugs and the original plug is discontinued.
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I haven’t been back on in awhile because I wanted to give my repair enough time for me to feel confident about it. So, here’s an update:


After running through all of the easier, less involved routes and potential problems, I gave way to the belief that it was the head gasket. I reached out to a few Toyota/Lexus mechanics who were willing to offer some advice and followed YouTube videos to go forward with DIY. Took it apart down to the head and the gasket was absolutely flattened giving way for the leak into the cylinders and causing the misfire. Had the head inspected for any cracking or warpage and got the okay on it not showing any sign of overheating and subsequent cracking/warpage. It wasn’t an easy process, and probably took me 3-5 hours of work over a 4-day span, but I got it done and put it a new head gasket (as well as every other gasket I came across along the way) with new head bolts.

Random side note: The most questionable part of the process was the recommendation I got from 2 separate mechanics to not resurface the head if it passed inspection. Said it left almost no room for any resurfacing and that it would likely just lead to more problems if I did.

Absolutely bizarre to pull a head, replace the gasket, and slap it back together, but I’ve put over 2,000 miles on it since and haven’t had a single problem. No leaks and no CEL.
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Wondering what your thoughts may be on my situation. I have a 2012 CT with 168k and just recently had the hard shutter issue. It happened 3 times before I decided I wasn't moving the vehicle any further until I diagnosed it. Got the CEL to come on and the code was for a Cylinder 1 misfire. Had the oil changed and all fluids topped off, and the first start after was smooth but it wasn't long into the trip before behavior he explains in the video started happening.

I'm assuming it's best to go ahead and do the head gasket, but thought it may be worth it to go ahead and have the EGR system cleaned while it was apart. Are you suggesting otherwise and to just stick with the head gasket for now. I know advice like this without seeing the car in person is to be taken with a grain of salt, but curious about your opinion.

Thanks
Hold your horses!!!
I had the same problem on my 250k Prius
With original head gasket.
I removed manifold, throttle body,
Egr.
Pcv valve
All cleaned thoroughly
And now, runs like new with better fuel consumption.
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This is a mechanics point of view
although his intentions are willful, and he’s close with thermal expansion, but there is more to the metallurgy..

the Atkinson Cycle engine is already designed with thermal expansion as a Given by us engineers..

it is not a squashing issue..

it is a out of order thermal condition that takes out the gaskets..

If a cylinder is misfiring, for Any period of time, thermal expansion becomes uneven, sanding stretching the head gasket..

this applies to ALL Atkinson Cycle Engines.. Chevy Ford Toyota etc..

Before jumping to “oh it’s EGR then”
this engine management system will Alert the system of Restricted EGR and pop a CEL.. $ave money clean it then..

just make sure to change plugs every 60,000 miles with dirty US fuel and fuel stations.. And throw a bottle of Lucas fuel injector cleaner in gas tank at a fill-up once every couple of months..

Lucas injector cleaner is the only one without the distillates that rot gaskets
Hi, I have a 2013 Ct200h Lexus. It just started shaking when I start it. No engine lights, no other issues. They, Lexus say I need a new head gasket. The car only has 114K miles. What do you recommend I do?
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This is a mechanics point of view
although his intentions are willful, and he’s close with thermal expansion, but there is more to the metallurgy..

the Atkinson Cycle engine is already designed with thermal expansion as a Given by us engineers..

it is not a squashing issue..

it is a out of order thermal condition that takes out the gaskets..

If a cylinder is misfiring, for Any period of time, thermal expansion becomes uneven, sanding stretching the head gasket..

this applies to ALL Atkinson Cycle Engines.. Chevy Ford Toyota etc..

Before jumping to “oh it’s EGR then”
this engine management system will Alert the system of Restricted EGR and pop a CEL.. $ave money clean it then..

just make sure to change plugs every 60,000 miles with dirty US fuel and fuel stations.. And throw a bottle of Lucas fuel injector cleaner in gas tank at a fill-up once every couple of months..

Lucas injector cleaner is the only one without the distillates that rot gaskets
What the mechanic said makes sense . So what did we learn today kids if you own a CT drive in sport mode only and you will have less engine issues but will spend more in gas . But shoot all I do is drive sport anyway. zoom zoom. And if you own a Prius your just screwed. Lol. JS
These guys know what they're doing and save me thousands. They're outside of the San Francisco Bay area go all over California.
Use these guys (Calif) or find someone near you like them, people are getting ripped off everywhere and it shouldn't cost more than $1600-$2,000
https://www.gasketmasters.com/head-gaskets. I got quotes from $7,500 to $3,500, dealers and auto mechanics ripping you off. 😡
One last question...is it worth going as far as having the intake manifold cleaned if going ahead with the EGR system?
Definitely ga clean it.
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