Lexus CT200h Forums banner

1 - 20 of 23 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
516 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I am waiting for a car that I ordered in mid March. I know it wouldn't be ready yet but was hoping I'd have some sort of information on it by now. Just got me wondering....Gas just hit $4.00/gallon for Regular unleaded here...has anyone else got fed up with dealers not having the color combination of car or no cars in stock and just said screw it I'm going to buy a Prius instead? The thought has been entering my mind---you do get 50 MPG and although not as luxurious, still a nice car that can be equipped nicely for less money.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
199 Posts
If you need a car now, you need a car now.

Gas prices are way up yes, but you won't save a ton of money buying now instead of a couple months from now.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
708 Posts
The Prius was not and would not have been on my shopping list.

We bought the Lexus on it's own merits not because of the price of gas.

Do the math - new car depreciation is invariably the highest cost of owning a new car not fuel cost.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6 Posts
If the only thing that matters to you is the gas price and nothing else,then you should immediately purchase the Prius and no longer wait for sth else.Before a week or so I ordered my new CT and the delivery date is early September:eek::mad:!!I'm really disappointed that I will not get it during the summer,but on the other hand I'm so in love with this car that I could wait a year:)!!Measure your priorities,but if you're asking for my opinion Prius looks really ugly!!No offense;)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
115 Posts
i agree with the above posters - you are not going to be "saving" any significant money by getting the hybrid over non-hybrids - if you want the CT for what it is, you should wait. if you are just trying to get fuel efficient you have a LOT of cars to choose from these days (other than the Prius): Hyundai Sonata, Elantra, Ford Fusion (with or without hybrid or Ecoboost), Chevy Cruze, VW Golf/Jetta (TDI or without), Honda Fit or Civic, etc etc. my dealership here in Northern NJ had about 4-5 CTs in stock when i bought - still may not be the color combo/options you are looking for, but there ARE CTs around.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
30 Posts
Coming from a Prius, I do not agree to most of the posters here.
The main reason I changed to CT from a Prius was the fact it is an hybrid with excellent fuel efficiency (an upgraded Prius if you want).
So, your debate makes sense to me.
BTW, will you not have the same problem of supply of a new Prius these days?

Giora.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
267 Posts
When I told that salesperson I'm giving up on the CT and going with a Prius like I was heading over to the Toyota dealership across the street (I wasn't really going to), he told me to sit tight...then one miraculously became available in Fire Agate.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
53 Posts
I'm definitely am looking at other options, especially considering I wouldn't normally ever buy a new car-- looking at used Prii though, with 30k they're still going for almost $25k (and drive like a turd). Starting to think about just settling for a Mazda3 hatch with 6k miles for under $18k-- that's an awful lot of gas to make up that price difference, I could almost buy 2 of them! Haven't driven one yet though, so not sure. Just sold my convertible to go back to a 2-car household and still have the 'gets me from A-B' Hyundai and want something I can have passion about, so I don't know that a used Mazda is going to fill that hole, but I also don't know if I can wait-- currently #10 on 'the list' for a dealer that didn't require a deposit to get on 'the list.' *Le sigh*

Fusion hybrid just too boring (and can't love a sedan). Will never buy Audi or VW, and 1 series just too small. C30? And I'm self-aware enough to admit I'd like to have a niche car that will get some attention-- like my 1st-gen WRX wagon: so ugly you gotta love it!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
53 Posts
Well, I found an unsold one today-- 4 or 5 hours drive away, but am considering it. Wouldn't be able to take delivery until they get another of course, but this would be much better than September...... Especially since I think $4 gas will be here before Memorial Day.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
When I told that salesperson I'm giving up on the CT and going with a Prius like I was heading over to the Toyota dealership across the street (I wasn't really going to), he told me to sit tight...then one miraculously became available in Fire Agate.
this is a sad thing. to be honest with you guys, the shortage is just a bull. this is a marketing strategy to earn more money. sadly, they are blaming it on the earthquake. HS, Prius and CT have the same Batteries. thats thier main argument to the shortness of supply.

it takes years give or take 2 years to develop a new model. the CT project was started way back in 2009. there, projections on cost and supply are done and a contract is made. parts are also released in the market about 1 month before release date.

do you guys think its a coincidence that the price of gas is so high and suddenly there is a shortage with the number one selling hybrids like the prius and the CT? this is a marketing scheme of toyota so that they can recover some of the lost income from the fines that were imposed on them. its all about supply and demand... create a shortage and boom the moniker gets alot of attention and higher prices. its conditioning the market. they dont want another HS Flop. the timing was perfect though i have to hand it to them.

ask yourself the question, is there really a shortage? or are they just holding it at the ports...???? lets say the port of Los Angeles. if you know where to look, you will see CT200h :) sadly this is a long and old dealer trick. hold it at the port keep only 1 or 2 on the lot let the customers fight for the car.

let me tell you my experiences:

Keys Lexus: they only have one car the Demo car. it was black with caramel. sales person said they aint selling it but with a good offer he can convince the sales manager to sell it. i was like WTF? Msrp was something like 32088 and he said if i offer anything above that, i might get the car? is he serious?? im not that desperate nor stupid.

Lexus of Glendale: called them before hand. they have a black car with caramel. msrp 32000 they told me over the phone. so went there and checked it out. i was ready to buy but when i was told that there were mandatory addons??? so i checked out what were the addons... cargo tray cargo net wheel locks film protection... those are not bad. sure they cost you an arm and a leg but they are negotiable and not really that bad at all. i was piss the most when i was told the car had chrome wheels that are mandatory because they dont have other wheels... the cost...2400 for chrome wheels. thats the time i thanked them for thier time and walked away. they wasted my time. if they would have told me on the phone that there was a mandatory 2400 option i would not have wasted my time. simple bait and switch. now i will never buy from keys or glendale for as long as i live. sneaky and tricky people in thier dealerships.

can anyone recommend an honest freakin lexus sales person here in socal? please? this is my first lexus and sadly i had better experience with mercedes and bmw. i had 3 bmws already. i wanted something different. where is the customer experience that they have been bragging about? so far im not impressed. i hope a lexus sales person would read this and save the name of lexus. before i start looking at Mecedez, BMW and audi for my 4th car
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
957 Posts
I recommend Vista Lexus of Woodland Hills, CA. I know Keyes; I actually live down the street from those jerks. They chrome ALL of their freaking wheels and make that a mandatory add-on (I don't know if you noticed, but if you happen to drive by, take a look.

Anyways, Larry Ellis is awesome. He's a straight-shooter, honest, doesn't treat me like I'm an idiot, because he knows I did my research and truly believes in customer service.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
199 Posts
this is a sad thing. to be honest with you guys, the shortage is just a bull. this is a marketing strategy to earn more money. sadly, they are blaming it on the earthquake. HS, Prius and CT have the same Batteries. thats thier main argument to the shortness of supply.

it takes years give or take 2 years to develop a new model. the CT project was started way back in 2009. there, projections on cost and supply are done and a contract is made. parts are also released in the market about 1 month before release date.

do you guys think its a coincidence that the price of gas is so high and suddenly there is a shortage with the number one selling hybrids like the prius and the CT? this is a marketing scheme of toyota so that they can recover some of the lost income from the fines that were imposed on them. its all about supply and demand... create a shortage and boom the moniker gets alot of attention and higher prices. its conditioning the market. they dont want another HS Flop. the timing was perfect though i have to hand it to them.

ask yourself the question, is there really a shortage? or are they just holding it at the ports...???? lets say the port of Los Angeles. if you know where to look, you will see CT200h :) sadly this is a long and old dealer trick. hold it at the port keep only 1 or 2 on the lot let the customers fight for the car.
I think you are off your rocker for even suggesting this is some kind of conspiracy...

There were plenty of these cars on the lot a week or two before the quake, but they were selling fast. That was the FIRST allotment to dealers, from the first boat.

Then the quake hit, the cars sold even faster, and they had another allotment on the way but they were being sold on the way to the dealers as several people here can attest to. Supposedly one more boat did manage to arrive after that, but thats it.

The main problem with your "theory" is that Lexus is loosing business because of the lack of cars. People come in and want to see/test drive the car but can't cause they don't have one at all, so they go elsewhere and buy another car. Nobody, not the dealers and not Toyota, can make money off of something they don't have to sell.
let me tell you my experiences:

Keys Lexus: they only have one car the Demo car. it was black with caramel. sales person said they aint selling it but with a good offer he can convince the sales manager to sell it. i was like WTF? Msrp was something like 32088 and he said if i offer anything above that, i might get the car? is he serious?? im not that desperate nor stupid.
I don't know if you were around to see it, but back in 2000 when the PT Cruiser came out, that $16,000 car was being marked up $15,000+ when it first came out. I never found a dealer that DIDN'T mark up that car at first, that has not been the case with the CT. Everyone on here I've seen has paid MSRP or less for the car.

I've been very surprised how few instances of marking up these cars has occurred with the recent events, you are the first one I've seen mention that kind of situation and I'm sorry to hear that. You would not have encountered it a month or so ago.
Lexus of Glendale: called them before hand. they have a black car with caramel. msrp 32000 they told me over the phone. so went there and checked it out. i was ready to buy but when i was told that there were mandatory addons??? so i checked out what were the addons... cargo tray cargo net wheel locks film protection... those are not bad. sure they cost you an arm and a leg but they are negotiable and not really that bad at all. i was piss the most when i was told the car had chrome wheels that are mandatory because they dont have other wheels... the cost...2400 for chrome wheels. thats the time i thanked them for thier time and walked away. they wasted my time. if they would have told me on the phone that there was a mandatory 2400 option i would not have wasted my time. simple bait and switch. now i will never buy from keys or glendale for as long as i live. sneaky and tricky people in thier dealerships.
That add-on package, was it on the window sticker? I've noticed that package has been showing up on cars that supposedly were not supposed to have it (IE from the manufacturer/port, not the dealer). The one my family purchased ended up with that same package too, but it wasn't expected. Luckily, we didn't pay for it, and the cargo mat and bumper protection were actually things we were looking to get anyway.

The chrome wheels... That IS a dealer ploy. They were dishonest about not telling you before hand and should have. Its also WAY too much for chrome, which is a waste of money anyway...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
159 Posts
In my opinion, supply and demand is what drives a market. If they made their business case by budgeting a certain amount of sales and suddenly they are in front of a popular car, more than expected, and gas going to the roof faster than expected, then how much are you willing to pay for it 'cause some will pay premium. I've never paid retail in my life. I'm a rep, I'm in sales. I think I have a good idea of the tricks on how to try to get a better price or to get extras. But I paid retail! Bought it the second day it was out and I got it 1 week after. Every month that goes by, I save $250 in gas compared to my old car. So that's how I see it: the more I would have waited, the more it would have cost me.
This is without saying that now, everytime I'm in my car, I have this smile on my face!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
159 Posts
Forgot to add that I didn't want a Prius, had no interest in it. Aside from the drivetrain, it's not the same car. If my test drive would have disappointed me, I didn't have any plan B. No other car in the market had what this one had for my needs. I would just have waited for something else to come out.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
283 Posts
unila....
I agree with Kostamojen. There is a real infrastructure problem in northern Japan right now with rolling black outs throughout the country that are bringing everything to a standstill. I have some friends there and believe me they would like nothing better than for things to get back to normal, but even they say it will be some time before that will happen.

This is a tragic event and not a manufacture's ploy to raise prices, do you think Toyota wants to be knocked out of number 1 in sales, Nissan doesn't want to really sell all the Leaf's they 'could have' produced? I think not. Just in time manufacturing means parts are produced as needed and brought to the line with no large warehouse which stores extra supplies of parts.

I can understand your frustration, but think about the people that live there and what they are facing
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
115 Posts
unila....
I agree with Kostamojen. There is a real infrastructure problem in northern Japan right now with rolling black outs throughout the country that are bringing everything to a standstill. I have some friends there and believe me they would like nothing better than for things to get back to normal, but even they say it will be some time before that will happen.

This is a tragic event and not a manufacture's ploy to raise prices, do you think Toyota wants to be knocked out of number 1 in sales, Nissan doesn't want to really sell all the Leaf's they 'could have' produced? I think not. Just in time manufacturing means parts are produced as needed and brought to the line with no large warehouse which stores extra supplies of parts.

I can understand your frustration, but think about the people that live there and what they are facing
agreed that this was a tragedy that has caused production problems. however, i do believe that dealerships are still USING this news to get the max markup/price they can out of each unit they get - which i don't blame them since their supply is cut short for a while - they need to maximize the return while they can.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
109 Posts
Oh now I get it, Toyota planned this whole earthquake thing? J/k good luck w your search. FYI, I purchased mine after the earthquake and the dealer still gave me a discount. Gotta find the right dealer, the first dealer that I went to wouldn't budge on the price one bit. There will most likely be no discounts for awhile as well.
 
1 - 20 of 23 Posts
Top