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Anyone else irked that they decided not to put the new Camry engine in the CT? According to the spec, 200 hp and 41/43 on the Camry. 0-60 in 7ish sec.
 

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Lower-trim LE hybrid, new to the line, starts at $26,660. XLE hybrid, $28,160.

I take a fully loaded XLE will be around $33,500. That is what they are currently going for. And inside would be real leather and not the NuLuxe.

The engine does sound like a sweet one. I wish they put the new Camry hybrid engine in the CT. It makes me think twice on the CT. But, I cannot wait till December for them to start rolling out.
 

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Well, as soon as I thought I had my mind made up on my new car this year. I love the CT. Had my heart set on it! But, this changed everything. 200hp! And 40mpg!! What is Toyota thinking not offering this powertrain in the CT!!! Yeah, I know. It's a Toyota Camrey. It's not a Lexus. Oh well! It starts $2000 less!! Can't believe it!!! I still love the looks of the CT but I don't think I can spend 38000 on car that they should be changing the engine on next year. This stinks. I had a CT ordered back in March too but pulled out and got my wife a Sienna instead. Good thing i did, I would have been POed. Stinks. I love the CT. Well, plan B. Scion FR-S. Toyota, don't screw it up!!! I know I'm going to get some strong defense from this post. I'm actually angry at Toyota and Lexus for doing this and I don't even own one!! Sorry for the rant. :(
 

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We took delivery of our car a month ago. Knowing about this beforehand would have definitely made me think twice about this CT. I understand technology progresses, but I am sure they must have been developing the Camry engine while they were designing the CT. I guess it's easier to just slap a working engine in there even thought they can build something better.
 

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The hybrid Camry was available in Australia 6 months ago.
You can read more about it here: Toyota Hybrid Camry Home Australia

While it was a nice car, it's no Lexus and certainly didnt drive like one.
Handling was no where near as good in my opinion either.
Looks can't match the CT and neither can the luxury features.

What it does have is more room in every way then the CT as it's a sedan
Some will love it others not so much.

WouldvI buy one? If CT wasn't an option I would own one over the Prius.
 

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Is it just me, or does the all new Camry look a lot like the old Camry. The styling is boring and compared to other cars in this class I feel they have lost their charm. For example, every time I see a Kia Optima or Hyundai Sonata, I hoped that Toyota would step up their styling game. But after the melodramatic reveal yesterday, I see they haven't.

Between my wife and I, we have owned 4 Camry's. While I like the MPG of the HyCam, I still cannot justify moving backwards from the CT. With Lexus we are getting so much more than just a car. Service, warranty, styling, exclusiveness, etc.

Would I like to see the larger output engine in the CT? Yes. Does the fact that it's not a racehorse stop me from buying it? No.
 

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1) There is supposedly a CT300h coming down the pipeline. Toyota has trademarked the name. When? Who knows. We can definitely expect it to be this drivetrain, though.
2) It will cost more, likely $2k~$3k more, in fact, than the CT200h. I don't see the 200h going away.
3) It seems like most people on these forums do far better than the CT's EPA ratings would have you believe possible. I wouldn't expect these CamryHy numbers to directly translate to the same MPG in the CT. A sporting character does impact gas mileage. And, when it comes down to it, the 1.8L in the CT should be more efficient in the real world versus the 2.5L. From what I can tell, there isn't any amazing tech on the 2.5L hybrid that really boosts the mileage over the 1.8L.
4) Yeah, the 200hp is certainly appealing. Having sold an MKV VW GTI last summer, I do miss having a quick, sporty hatch in the family. The CT is already pushing what I'm willing to spend on a car this small, though, so it will come down to how the CT200h and proposed CT300h drive and are priced. If a nicely equipped CT300h is pushing $40k, I'll stick with the 200h and buy myself an NC Miata or FR-S as my toy car. (best of both worlds!)
5) While this does put the Camry on my radar, I still think the CT is a nicer looking car and I'm certain it is a nicer driving car. If MPG were everything, we'd all be in Prius instead. Enjoy your excellent blend of sporty handling, luxury interior, and great gas mileage. :)
 

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I GUARANTEE you the CT with this drivetrain (if it were to ever happen) wouldn't get anywhere near the numbers people get now. People get mid 40's now, I'd expect this engine to actually get mid 30's.. Not good enough IMO.

Also, the talk about CT300h and all that is a little early (I hope). It would be a major stab in the back to early CT adopters if Lexus turned around and swapped the engine on it just a year, or even 2, or even 3 later. At the absolute EARLIEST I'd expect a model change in 2014...
 

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What makes u think that it could not get 40+ mpg with the 2.5 powertrain? The Camrey is bigger, heavier, and less aerodynamic. Do you think that the new Camrey is not going to get 41 mpg as they state? I think Toyota really dropped the ball on this one. I would be very upset if I just bought a CT. What the heck were they thinking?!? Has to be a case of already started the 1.8 with the CT. Too expensive to redo the inards and plumbing of a car this new. Let's just roll with it another year. Hopefully they still will sell as well as they have this past year.
 

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It is a little annoying we are going to be followed so closely by a Toyota getting almost the same MPG.. we'll see how that goes... But, the most important thing... I don't want to drive no stinkin Camry! I just got rid of the common car.. I don't want another as long as I live... Nobody is going to be turning their head as you drive by in a Camry... :p
 

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Stab in the back? A bit dramatic, aren't we? Like I said before, the CT300h will probably be a more expensive model that will slot in above the CT200h just like the IS250 and the IS350 coexist. The 1.8L will still get better gas mileage. There really isn't any new tech on the 2.5L hybrid that doesn't exist on the 1.8L hybrid that magically makes the 2.5L more efficient. It will simply be another choice.
 

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Stab in the back? A bit dramatic, aren't we? Like I said before, the CT300h will probably be a more expensive model that will slot in above the CT200h just like the IS250 and the IS350 coexist. The 1.8L will still get better gas mileage. There really isn't any new tech on the 2.5L hybrid that doesn't exist on the 1.8L hybrid that magically makes the 2.5L more efficient. It will simply be another choice.
^^^^ What he said :)

41 US mpg is very good for a Camry, but the 51 US mpg we've been getting in our CT is better. :cool: Plus, in Canada the Camry Hybrid actually costs $400 more than the CT. :rolleyes:
 

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I agree with several of the replies here already. I could have had a Hybrid Camry months ago with the options and colors I wanted but I passed because it is not an attractive car. I honestly think that if they had the styling of the SE available in the Hybrid model then it would be easier to stomach. However, the Hybrid right now just isn't a cool looking car. Yes, it's bigger, and coming from someone with three kids that is a decent factor, but I'd rather cram them in now while they're little and feel more happy about what I'm driving.
 

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41 US mpg is very good for a Camry, but the 51 US mpg we've been getting in our CT is better. :cool: Plus, in Canada the Camry Hybrid actually costs $400 more than the CT. :rolleyes:
51 is great but that's not what most people are getting. I'm getting 42 - 44 mpg. Right in line with the EPA estimate. I use to drive a prius and could get 52+ so I know how to drive a hybrid. I don't hypermile but I also don't ride the gas and coast as much as possible.

Basically what people are saying is that if the Camry hybrid can get 41 with the 2.5 engine then you should be able to do better if you put that same engine in the CT (lighter, more aerodynamic, etc). You'll probably be able to get 42 - 44 mpg with that engine in the CT.

I would love to see that engine in a CT. It would be faster than an IS 250 and get 40+ mpg. The CT300h or whatever we want to call it would destroy the competition. That's probably why it won't happen. Makes too much sense to us.
 

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It's all about profit and perceive value. Sure they could've dropped the 2.5 in the CT200 and charged the current MSRP, makes more sense for the consumer, but someone probably had the vision of why do that when you can drop in a higher end model and charge more, the upcoming CT300.
 

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I expect this will be the exact drivetrain we'll see in the 300h, but it'll be $34k or $35k base. Before they committed to having something that competes in the same pricepoint as the HS250h and IS250, they needed to guage the interest in the hatchback platform that failed before with the Sportcross. Assuming Lexus deems the 200h successful enough (which looks likely at this point), they'll use that as the opportunity to kill the HS if they haven't already by 2014. They've made no secret that the lower pricepoint was meant as a concerted effort to expand market share by bringing in buyers in NA and Europe who wouldn't have looked at Lexus otherwise (and perfectly timed with the gas price spike), and now that ostensibly they've gotten several thousand new consumers and some press and momentum and gas prices retreating a bit, they'll try to build on that probably simulaneously with the IS line refresh for MY 2013 or 2014, and we may see a mid-cycle refresh across the CT line where the CT300h would be perfectly introduced.

I would asolutely give up 6-8mpg for something with 50% more power, and a $4-$5k premium is right in line with like what you'd pay for motor upgrades in a lot of product lines in the non-premium market. From a pure volume standpoint, they sell a lot more IS250s than 350s, and a lot more GS350s than 430s, just like Ford has always sold many more V6s than V8s. With the Prius drivetrain already so successful and keeping development costs low at a time of increasing premium compact interest, it was a bit of a no-brainer.
 

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I wonder if the mpg performance improvement is a coming from an advanced battery drive system for this vehicle?
 
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